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Briney Dave

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Posted : 2/26/2009 2:07:49 PM  

Hey Brad,

does the zoo culture mysis shrimp at all??  I have read some about it but would like to see a set up in action or hear from someone who has at least run one. 

I have a pretty good number of sps and a clam  to feed plus I have a couple students interested in breeding cardinals and similars for next year.  I would like to get a shrimp factory running now to be able to supply all these odds and ends needs for a good food source. 

KingDiamond


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Posted : 2/26/2009 9:33:16 PM  
Briney Dave said :

Hey Brad,

does the zoo culture mysis shrimp at all??  I have read some about it but would like to see a set up in action or hear from someone who has at least run one. 

I have a pretty good number of sps and a clam  to feed plus I have a couple students interested in breeding cardinals and similars for next year.  I would like to get a shrimp factory running now to be able to supply all these odds and ends needs for a good food source. 




We still have a mysid culture going, although it is not as big as it was when we had seadragons. Quite honestly I don't know if a mysid culture would benefit your clams or sps. It's kind of tough for sessile inverts to catch motile ones! (ha ha). They are the cats meow for any kind of marine fish breeding. After we started using "baby" mysids for any baby seahorses our mortality rate per batch of babies went way down. I am not sure Jay would set you up with a starter culture or not but years of fighting have paied off and we have gotten some of the "rules" loosened when it comes to invertebrates. Rules for elephants being applied to invertebrates is quite annoying.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin
hillbillyracin

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Posted : 2/26/2009 10:01:12 PM  
KingDiamond said :
Briney Dave said :

Hey Brad,

does the zoo culture mysis shrimp at all??  I have read some about it but would like to see a set up in action or hear from someone who has at least run one. 

I have a pretty good number of sps and a clam  to feed plus I have a couple students interested in breeding cardinals and similars for next year.  I would like to get a shrimp factory running now to be able to supply all these odds and ends needs for a good food source. 




We still have a mysid culture going, although it is not as big as it was when we had seadragons. Quite honestly I don't know if a mysid culture would benefit your clams or sps. It's kind of tough for sessile inverts to catch motile ones! (ha ha). They are the cats meow for any kind of marine fish breeding. After we started using "baby" mysids for any baby seahorses our mortality rate per batch of babies went way down. I am not sure Jay would set you up with a starter culture or not but years of fighting have paied off and we have gotten some of the "rules" loosened when it comes to invertebrates. Rules for elephants being applied to invertebrates is quite annoying.


 I think "free" (set me up, hook me up, what can ya do me etc) can dimish the value of excellent information and effective advice, and VALUABLE research time. No matter how trivial the request may seem at face value. I could understand Jay's  assumed stance, if thats what he may choose to (and can) take. Think about it for a second.

zoakeeper

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Posted : 2/26/2009 11:35:39 PM  

Have him fill out a biomaterials request form and let him see that it isnt even worth the trouble for some little shrimp.  Like brad said, such large inverts will not do a lick of good for clam.  Try culturing phytoplankton or something similar in a bottle, DTs.

Briney Dave

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Posted : 2/27/2009 5:54:21 AM  

I am not looking for freebie stuff,  I just wanted to see the set up and talk with someone in the know.  I guess that is sort of free stuff because I am learning for free.  I have seen several companies selling live cultures and will buy my starters and other equipment needed.

You are right about those guys being fast and not great sessile food;  Not sure what I was thinking there.  

I do have kids wanting to try a number of different fish breeding programs.  Plus the fish we have will always do better with good and different food sources.  

Ultimately, I would like to have a very good student who has earned their way up to try mandarins.   

I fully understand rules being applied to you that were really ment for other things.  The Jason laws come to my mind.  Just imagine if I were to keep a couple sodas in my frig in my class/lab.  Then, even though I never do, I were to bring in dangerous chemicals and start doing chem labs and then if it were to spill so bad as to get into a cupboard, into my frig and onto my soda.  Then (assuming I lived through the spill) I were to open that can and drink that toxic soup.

A very good rule for chem lab,  a fine rule for a micro bio lab where they are culturing bacteria

but all I have in my class are the same tanks everyone else has in their house,

Aquatic Aquaman

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Posted : 2/27/2009 7:26:09 AM  
Briney Dave said :

Ultimately, I would like to have a very good student who has earned their way up to try mandarins.   


My next breeding project I'm going to try is the Mandarins.  I've been doing a lot of research on it over at MOFIB.  Of course I'd like to get the Bengaii's going as well again.  My new tank is getting some new tank syndrom even though there's nothing in it.

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KingDiamond


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Posted : 2/27/2009 7:30:00 AM  
hillbillyracin said :
KingDiamond said :
Briney Dave said :

Hey Brad,

does the zoo culture mysis shrimp at all?? I have read some about it but would like to see a set up in action or hear from someone who has at least run one.

I have a pretty good number of sps and a clam to feed plus I have a couple students interested in breeding cardinals and similars for next year. I would like to get a shrimp factory running now to be able to supply all these odds and ends needs for a good food source.




We still have a mysid culture going, although it is not as big as it was when we had seadragons. Quite honestly I don't know if a mysid culture would benefit your clams or sps. It's kind of tough for sessile inverts to catch motile ones! (ha ha). They are the cats meow for any kind of marine fish breeding. After we started using "baby" mysids for any baby seahorses our mortality rate per batch of babies went way down. I am not sure Jay would set you up with a starter culture or not but years of fighting have paied off and we have gotten some of the "rules" loosened when it comes to invertebrates. Rules for elephants being applied to invertebrates is quite annoying.


I think "free" (set me up, hook me up, what can ya do me etc) can dimish the value of excellent information and effective advice, and VALUABLE research time. No matter how trivial the request may seem at face value. I could understand Jay's assumed stance, if thats what he may choose to (and can) take. Think about it for a second.




I don't think I would just give someone some animals and say "O.K. go kill'em". I would try to set up a time for Dave to stop in a talk to him. It is always best learn on your own, it establishes it in your long term memory. Why reinvent the wheel every time you try something new. That kind of why web sites like this exist.
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Aquatic Aquaman

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Posted : 2/27/2009 7:40:50 AM  

Exactly! 

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pundam

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Posted : 2/27/2009 6:40:30 PM  
hillbillyracin said :
KingDiamond said :
Briney Dave said :

Hey Brad,

does the zoo culture mysis shrimp at all??  I have read some about it but would like to see a set up in action or hear from someone who has at least run one. 

I have a pretty good number of sps and a clam  to feed plus I have a couple students interested in breeding cardinals and similars for next year.  I would like to get a shrimp factory running now to be able to supply all these odds and ends needs for a good food source. 

...


 I think "free" (set me up, hook me up, what can ya do me etc) can dimish the value of excellent information and effective advice, and VALUABLE research time. No matter how trivial the request may seem at face value. I could understand Jay's  assumed stance, if thats what he may choose to (and can) take. Think about it for a second.

Actually, what Briney had asked was if he could >>  see a set up in action or hear from someone who has at least run one.  >>.  He wasn't asking for anything to be given to him other than time in which to talk to someone who has been there/done that.  My guess is he would also be happy to be pointed in the direction of useful info either online or in print form.    If you think about it, that type of thing is why this club exists- so hobbyists can share info with one another.

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Spuds725


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Posted : 3/1/2009 6:09:36 PM  
pundam said :

 If you think about it, that type of thing is why this club exists- so hobbyists can share info with one another.

Mis-info too

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